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trey: good evening thank you for joining us i'm trey gowdy it is "sunday night in america", the blood of american soldiers was spilled again this past week and s3 u.s. service members were killed and 40 more wounded during a drone attack at a base in jordan, all americans feel a sense of loss but the burden of grief is shoulder primarily by family and friends. >> reality probably will not set in until we travel to go see her name, that is the time that i really not looking forward to i'm dreading it actually. >> she was goal oriented and she love the service and she loved serving our country. trey: iran's fingerprints are all over the bodies of those dead and wounded americans, around and its proxies have been attacking u.s. troops in assets for months now.

president biden promised a response. but many wondering a lack of response to previous attacks may embolden our enemies. why has the u.s. been so slow and measured in it comes to ir iran. florida congressman brian masse served our country in uniform he's been clear about the threats posed by iran and he joins us now. welcome congressman. will start by recognizing the service and the sacrifice of those killed and wounded in this attack. the best way to assign value to their lives is a proper military response worthy of their sacrifice is an. >> i think that's appropriate way to put it but you have to be infuriated and you have to look at your service members as your family and your blood and if it was with your kids and when you're cousins and nephews or nieces, you're picking your family tree. , what would you want your response to be if that was your kid that's what america's

defenders are for all of us across the country and were not getting a response that's literally heartbreaking and the only comparison that i can make for president bargain and joe biden's reputations are sticky thing especially for foreign intelligence agencies and government and reputation matters. like a toddler carrying around a louisville smuggler america has a massive bat beau biden all needs to lifted up and swing it and that's what we deal with foreign policy and service members pay the result of the foreign policy. trey: congressman, some are calling for a military response inside of the country at iran. reporting suggests the u.s. will hit targets outside of the country of iran other than symbolism, what is the significance to where the strikes are and where you come down?

>> america does not deal with proportionality. america swings the louisville slugger as hard as we can swing every single time. you come at us and we will come back to you in the face with everything that we have and make sure that it never happens again, that has to be american resolve and whether that takes place with the target even side of in iran or soleimani on the side of a tarmac in iraq when president trump destroyed him, whatever that looks like to not worry about the proportionality but the result to show that you better never do something like this again because this is what's going to happen and you don't want that. that prevention is worth a pound of cure mentality it goes so far beyond that were talking about the lives of americans but that's what we need to see we need to see the prevention through american strength and were not getting that. i'll go back to the analogy, president biden is like a toddler carrying a louisville

slugger, he cannot lift it, cannot swing it in yield against anybody and it renders the perception of america to be inputted. trey: brian masse from the great state of florida. thank you for your service to our country and joining us on a sunday night. what is iran's and game how does it benefit to provoke the u.s. to attack and kill u.s. soldiers. iran is a closed country in an outside world rarely gets a glimpse inside we don't know much about the zealous around the country or even the iranian people but our next guest is an exception to that. brian hook is a former state department and envoy for iran and he joins us now. welcome mr. hook, what is iran up to attacking u.s. soldiers in assets and is it likely u.s. intelligence can link iran or is there room for iranian deniability in the most recent

attacks. >> what iran is up to accommodate are trying to get the united states out of the middle east. that has been the objective of the theocratic regime for 41 years ever since ayatollah came into power that has been there objective the revolutionary regime and they are committing all of the acts and attacks against american forces in the region in order to get our troops out, president biden right now is conducting a failed foreign policy that is putting our troops in danger, our troops have been attacked over 200 times in iraq and syria during the vita administration in the five american troops who recently died is tragic in the president has got to reverse a failed foreign policy and for nothing else to protect the 30000 troops we have in the middle east.

trey: it is hard for many if not most of us to grasp sitting down at the negotiating table why the country like iran but you have done it you do it on nuclear weapons and hostages all. what works as deterring iran. >> only language that iran understands is pressure and force. president trump put in place a campaign of maximum economic pressure. the president of iran, while we were in office center sanctions cost the regime over $200 billion. the regime if they had $200 billion would've spent it on terrorism, they would spend on hamas and hezbollah and their proxies in yemen, iraq and syria. but we deny the regime hundreds of billions of dollars and that was very effective at constraining their sphere of action in the region.

unfortunately the biden administration has taken the opposite approach where they have given the regime $6 billion in the regime uses the money to support hezbollah and other proxies to attack american troops, israel and her allies around the region. we were very successful at deterring iran. there were no major attacks by hamas or hezbollah when we were in office. president trump put in place a foreign policy that was very effective in the middle east and he defeated isis, we took a number of terrorist off the battlefield including soleimani. but now the middle east has gone back to the old middle east of terrorism on an almost daily basis. trey: the biden administration is calling for a two state solution with respect to palestine you served in more than one republican

administration and my memory serves me correctly. what is the answer to the conflict more broadly in the middle east and in particular to respect to the palestinian sta state. >> when i saw the state department was considering unilateral recognizing palestine i did not quite know what that means. right now is 72% of palestinians supported the terrorist attacks of october 7 on israel and. if the biden administration were to recognize the state of palestine what are they recognizing and what would they be emboldening. right now the territory of palestine half of it is controlled by hamas which is an organization that we recognize as a terrorist organization in the end of the west bank you have something like over 80% of palestinians supported the attacks on october 7. i think the biden administration is getting dangerously close to endorsing terrorism at this

point and in this context coming very shortly after the october attacks. i think this is the last thing they should be talking about. if there is going to be an independent palestinian state it is only going to come to direct negotiations between israel and palestine. right now the palestinians do not want as to state solution they want to destroy israel. trey: brian hook, thank you for joining us. the message is somber but thank you for joining us on a sunday night and thank you for your service and multiple administrations. we will see you next time. >> and to be with you. trey: coming up, negotiations over a border agreement looked doomed on capitol hill, what happened and what's next as the house moves forward with the impeachment of dhs secretary alejandro mayorkas. republican ron johnson from the

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>> it is no good and no good for the republicans any republican that signs it should be ashamed of himself or herself you're better at not having to deal than having to deal. that's what they're negotiating. trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america", former president trump is clearly not a fan of the bipartisan agreement aimed at finding a solution at the border crisis. which means even if something were to pass the senate is not likely to get a boat in the house. opponents of the proposed agreement argue there is no point of negotiating new laws for the administration that will not enforce current ones

supporters say the border crisis is the number one issue among many voters and this is a chance to do something constructive. the house is not only unenthusiastic about the proposed deal, the house is planning to impeach d.a. checker terry alejandro mayorkas. joining us the senator from the great state of wisconsin, mr. ron johnson, welcome, thank you for being here. the border is the number one issue for the minds of voters especially even above the academy. is there a bill that could pass between now and the election or is this just the political reality of neither side wanting to give a victory to an opponent especially one underwater on an issue? >> from my standpoint, president biden and his democrat colleagues in congress, their open border policy is a clear and present danger to america so it should be our top priority and what all of us are focused

on and how do we get control over our border, the concern with the bill that's been negotiated is will actually secure the border and more importantly will it not hamper or hinder or hamstring the next president you might want to secure the border. you talked about the thresholds that are set at unreasonably high levels that could hamstring a future president, that is what we need to evaluate as we go through the bill. trey: led soliciting together at what is sometimes called the people's house. >> we have not approach this state or this process likely. secretary merrick's actions have forced our hand. >> donald trump and maga plan, his alligator votes, bombing northern mexico, shooting migrants in the legs, atlantis morrissette song in my youth is coming up isn't it ironic that you think. this is about the rule of law in this country.

>> the sham impeachment of secretary mayorkas is a baseless political stunt by extreme mega republican. >> there is a raging fire happening at the border. >> you just want to make the allegations and could caulk a crazy breach of public trust which does not exist. trey: senator they are debating the impeachment of dhs secretary mayorkas. the reality let me play the devils advocate he is doing nothing but carrying out joe biden's policies. as the house really talking about impeaching the right person for cabinet secretary is doing what the president instructs him or her to do. is that the right person to be impeaching? >> you make a good point, i would argue the best thing the house is done so far on the border they passed hr2 but i think the speaker laying out all the authority that president biden has that is not using. let's face it president biden is

lying to the america public in many cities been asking republican since day one to give them the authority to close the border, he took over when we had the largest secure border president trump security using existing law and president biden dismantled all the successful programs that trump put in place to secure the border. so the problem that negotiators have had dealing with this in administration and democrats editors is at president biden in the democrats wanted open borders, they cause the problem to the root cause and from my standpoint what the negotiation has been all about is getting democrats political cover now that mayor adam sandler johnson in new york city and chicago are screaming that joe biden is letting this country destroy their city they're not looking for a solution at the border looking for federal funding to treat migrants better which will

cause more migrants to want to come. the democrat position from my standpoint is absurd, this president had all the authority to secure the border and he's the one that caused the crisis and that's almost an insurmountable problem in negotiating with them to actually secure the border how do you force the hand of the lawless president. trey: you raise an interesting point senator, sometimes in politics, the issue is more beneficial than the solution. i hope that is not true when we have a crisis like we have at the border but sometimes politically people benefit from the issue more than a solution. before i let you go, is there any prospect forgetting something meaningful and constructive between now and the election or do we have to wait and see who wins the next presidential race. >> that'll be up to democrats. republicans want to secure the border. this is a top priority, i've setting conference i would not only vote i would promote a bill

that funds ukraine, to help the ukrainian people but also secures the border but i'm not could devote for a bill that will hamstring a future president by setting limits and thresholds before the president can actually do with the president already has authority to do. first do no harm. my concern about the senate bill to analyze it and will do more harm than good. trey: senator ron johnson and the great state of wisconsin. thank you for joining us on a wednesday night we look forward to visiting with you real soon. >> have a great night. trey: the supreme court hears oral argument on colorado removing former president trump from the ballot and what could be a seismic decision former d.o.j. prosecutor jim trusty joins us next on "sunday night in america". (♪) some people just know that the best rate for you is a rate based on you, with allstate. not one based on paul.

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to "sunday night in america". trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america". december 18 of last year the colorado supreme court kicked the leading gop presidential candidate off the ballot citing the 14th amendment. colorado does not however, have

the last word. this thursday the supreme court of the united states hears oral argument in the case. a careful listener will be able to tell which way the court is leaning based on which justice ask which questions. regardless and has the potential to be a monumental decision. does the 14th amendment apply in the absence of a charge or a conviction? will the high court pass the buck and say it's up to congress or the people at the ballot box? this case has become something of an economic boom for constitutional warriors as dozens of groups have filed friend of the court briefs arguing for or against kicking trump off the ballot. just across the street from the supreme court, member of congress caught the attention of the d.o.j. missouri congresswoman cori bush is best known for wanting to defund the police for you but not for herself. she spent a lot of money on her own security, was a government money or campaign funds or does

it matter legally? what are the limits on spending public or campaign money and can you have a family member on the payroll. joining me to analyze everything from law to speech or debate is former d.o.j. prosecutor jim trusty, it is great to see you. the colorado supreme court is full of democrats and even some of them don't think that trump should be kicked off the ballot. what you expect the high court of the united states to do. >> i expect them to shut this down. i really do. there is a lot to look at. if you justice roberts and trying to command a real strong majority on a 728190. you probably focus on the foundational or procedural aspects of the problem with the colorado case. that might mean for instance they decide article three of the 14th amendment does not mean the president when he refers to

officers or a federal question that states should not have the determinations of. there is a lot that can be done on the procedural ground in the field like safer territory for justice roberts in getting to the meat of the issue. the meat of the issue is a due process of the ridiculous minitrials weather in maine or this wouldn't colorado and the trial was essentially two things and as an old prosecutor and trial lawyer i'm sure you have the reaction. one was adopted j6 committee report and consider the evidence of insurrection which is rife with problems because the political nature of the committee and the way they conducted it. they brought in a sociology professor to be the trump dog whisperer interpreter and he said i know president trump said be peaceful and patriotic your honor but what he really what is the violin unpatriotic. this infected the colorado

process. i would love for them to get to the due process, the substance of the hearing but that would allow all the other states to poke the bear and continue to litigate eligibility and find a procedural basis like it doesn't apply to the president because of the legislative intent which is the district court in colorado found. then you ended all the litigation across the country. i think that's probably where were going even though lawyers go poor betting on the supreme court. trey: i feel so stupid. it never occurred to me to call a sociology professor as a witness in one of my trials. mistakingly called witnesses were people who had first-hand knowledge. you mentioned a nonexempt opinion. i say they are rare but they are rare and high-profile contentious cases. but if it is a fractured opinion along an alleged ideological line then it is going to further

undercut the legitimacy of the court it is going to be politicized wants to once again, don't you think? >> that is the thing you a sitting president who is quite comfortable demonizing the supreme court even when it student loans when they say going and we're going to lose of the supreme court. i hate to see one institution in the government sabotaging another for their own skin. i think you get a lot of that with a lot of media help as well. if it is 6 - 3 unconservative lines, you're going to hear the supreme court reform course jumping let's stack the deck and add another 20 lawyers to the supreme court. i think that's unfortunate and unfortunate that roberts is a little too sensitive to criticism. i think they should be pretty bold about establishing what the constitution says or doesn't say and they should damn the politics little bit. processes could be the safer territory than substance.

if they come out with a procedural bar that will end all the ballot litigation and we can move on to the criminal and civil litigation involving president trump. trey: before i let you go one listen to the gentlewoman from missouri together real quick. >> a recent right wing organization have lodged baseless complaints against me peddling notion that i missed use campaign funds to pay for personal security services that simply is not true. >> i'm sitting here wondering how it d.o.j. run by merrick garland qualifies as a right wing organization is not the heritage foundation is merrick garland's d.o.j. >> she's going with ethics complaints that were filed in the house and those of her political organization one went her way which is a mystery to me and the other one is still open but that is totally independent

as the d.o.j. do i trust the d.o.j. against mrs. bush, no i don't, there is some smoke there is $120,000 in payments to what was a bodyguard now the head of security/husband who apparently had a history as a moving company person and one other job but nothing to do a security until real late in the game and 20212022 is at least bad judgment may not be criminal or something at the house axon but when you have the nepotism is pretty embarrassing for. trey: she is presumed innocent as it relates to the committal process, politics is a different story but that's why i like having you one, we focus on the law, thank you for joining us on a sunday night with a forward to the next visit. >> great to see you. trey: south carolina governor henry mcmaster joins us to

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trey: welcome back to "sunday night in america". we are three weeks away from the republican primary in my beloved home state of south carolina. nikki haley is former governor of trump's loan remaining rival and she sure sounds undeterred. >> she has made it chaotic, he has made it self absorbed. he has made people dislike and judge each other. the preservation of moral clarity and know the difference between right and wrong and he is just toxic. trey: the current governor knows our state while he served as u.s. attorney and attorney general and lieutenant governor, henry mcmaster and he joins us now. welcome governor it is so nice to see you, you sell something to donald trump in 2016 you were

among the first to endorse him, what did you see way back then. >> peggy and i were invited to a dinner they were having a series of them following all the candidates back in 2016 this is actually late 2015 when we met him i got to know him and i endorsed him in february. we liked him. the crowd did to, they went wild over him, he has something different, he is strong and experienced in right now he's the most experience one out there having a release for four years as president. but i think most people agree even more than they were then and we have our enemies creeping all over the world. in the border we have no border anymore. military is depressed not meeting their quotas, that is a bad sign.

we have good judges of the u.s. supreme court, that is good. he is a strong man he is the strongest candidate we've had. right now what we need is his strength in the experience that he has. we are lucky he's willing to run again for this office because the times right now and the threats that are facing america all over the world and even our border require the strength that he has. trey: some of the recent polling is very good for the former president especially in swing states. there is other polling that suggests that he has a problem with some female voters. you've been on the ballot and been successful what advice would you have for him on how to bridge whatever gap exists perhaps among female voters. >> i don't know where the gap come from. another is a lot of

misinformation and i see things on other stations and other channels another broadcast that are way off base in the way that they describe them and it's only natural if you watch those stations and those people that you go get a bad impression but anyone who meets donald trump around south carolina, many women are just crazy about him but he is depicted so harshly i think it's only natural that some people who don't see the other side and don't get to see the other side or don't see the man himself and don't see the truth about him, they're not going to like him based on what they hear. but i'll tell you what he lights up the room, we had him and pickens over the summer as small town in upstate, you're familiar with it. less than 4000 people today, we had somewhere between 55 and 70000 people that turned out and he stood there for hours to see

the them men and women. he came to the football game the carolina clemson football game and as soon as we got in the stands where people could look and see him, everybody went wild. in fact there were 70 people taking pictures and hollering and cheering we did here with the referees and umpires and the captains of the team were talking about when they were flipping the coin and he and i walked on the field a half time it happened again. he is a phenomenal strong candidate and leader in the people that get to see the truth about him are crazy about him. trey: governor we lost that game i hope you taken the claims annexed time and don't take it back to williams price. you've gone head-to-head with nikki haley before. she is tough it's not wise to underestimate her but

realistically does she need to win south carolina to stay in the race do you think? >> i would say if she were to win, that would be a big boost, i don't think that's going to happen you would have to talk to the experts in listen to what they would say what would be good and what would be bad. i don't think any candidate who would be running now is going to be donald trump and south carolina. but she is a strong competitor but donald trump is a strong competitor and not only is he a strong competitor but he is a leader that the world knows and the last thing our enemies want out there is for donald trump to be president again. if donald trump is not president again and anybody else's president again. joe biden wins reelection, i

cannot imagine the harm that will going to continue and going to come to this country to the policies at the border with the judges and all of the woke baloney going on, the military is in depression or unconstitutional mandates. all of those kind of things going exactly in the wrong direction. we need a strong serious leader who can put this country back into shape and get them back working and get money in their pockets and keep us safe from a very dangerous world. trey: governor henry mcmaster from the great state of south carolina. thank you for joining us on a sunday night. i will see you around the state soon. what if you received a message from a politician but it was fake. it sounded just like your favorite or least favorite elected official but it was a fraud. it happened in new hampshire where voters received a call

reportedly from president joe biden but it was not him. it sounded like him and even had one of his favorite phrases but it was counterfeit. how does counterfeit information help voters make important decisions. it doesn't. the artificial intelligence does make it easier to commit fraud on the public. whose job is it to regulate. joining is now the tech policy director of the heritage foundation cara frederick. it's so good to see you again. it is fake, false, misleading but is it illegal? >> so far it is not in some cases if you look at the deep state synthetic media, digital forgery and videos and some states is illegal to do it for and child exploitation but right now when you're talking about the information environment it is not illegal and that is why

there is so many efforts of groundswell and a lot of energy on the hill in the states to actually do something about this and impose costs on some of the companies and the actors that are propagating the synthetic information for ill. trey: i guess my simple mind goes to two explanations but you're very complex mind may come up with more. i think it's a lack of criminal sanction because people think it's a first amendment issue which i don't get were questioning technology just happening faster than politicians can react or is there another explanation for the absence of a sanction? >> i think it is mostly the second one. i have the same technology development always outpaces an attempt to govern it in the people building the technology understand that as well. they know they have the edge. working in the big tech companies the east those was billed and shift and ask for

forgiveness later. we know our legislators are outmatched in their building the technologies and the thing is i think a lot of those founders in the companies people building the technologies need to understand that if they build it them bad actors will exploit it, they need to start from the premise, billed accordingly and frankly there needs to be a retroactive legislation a policy that established deterrence and away. iimposing the cost on bad actors that exploit and use the technologies even if they were created for good and then you deter some of the bad effects you mitigate the bad effects enter information environment. trey: it is hard enough for some folks to separate what is true from what is false. i think so-called artificial intelligence is making all the harder. thank you for shedding light and

sharing your insight i have a feeling it will not be the last time that we talk about it. trey: we wrap up some of the biggest stories of the past week just in case you may have missed them. only on "sunday night in america".

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>> welcome back to "sunday night in america," it's hard to follow every news story each week. i try to do that for us, here are a few of the things that were perhaps missed this week. hard enough to get a conviction but then you have to keep it, pros cuters and cops came close to losing the murder conviction on alex murdaugh because the clerk of courtmented to sell books -- wanted to sell books, murdaugh came close to getting a new trial because the counter clerk wanted to sell books so badly she alledgedly tries

to influence the jury, the trial judge is a former chief justice of the south carolina supreme court. she made a reference to the siren call of celebrity. leading people to do unwise and improper things, one member of the jury indicated that hill's comments may have influenced the jury but that juror was deemed to have given conflicting answers. the net result s murdaugh remains in prison for life. for now. bubut it highlights how hard it is to get a conviction and keep this it was almost a new trial granted not because of something that prosecutors or cops or trial judge did but because someone wanted to be famous, which hig highlights a tale, be careful what you wish for, so now she is famous for all

of the wrong reasons. >> one of history's greatest histories may -- mysteries may have been solved, could ame. amelia earhart's plane have been found all of these years, she was an aviation pioneer. iin in 1937. she was last seen. she did not make it. and where her bleaf plane went down has been one of history's greatest mysteries, an ocean exploration company in charleston, south carolina found something resembling a plane on the ocean. we don't know for sure if it is her plane.

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tend to divide us, most of us long for winter to be over and spring to come, for those who spent a few days in sub artic wa for the caucus, that is true. let us suspense science for a moment and place your collect of happiness in the hands or shadow of a ground hog. and hope for spring and further hope uniquely american rituals that unite us, can remain untarnished. thank you for spending start of your sunday night with us, hope you have a great week ahead, until next week you can find us on line at gowdy america or trey gowdy podcast, do good night from sout